Six cubits is how tall
My boy loves the story of David and Goliath, too! Stopping by from the Homeschool Hop! What an awesome lesson! I will have to do this with my kids! Thanks for sharing! What a great way to put Goliath's size into perspective for your boys! We will def have to do this activity when Sammy gets older. What a fun way to learn both Bible and Math!
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If the LXX was accepted by the early church and it was! It is not a question of orthodoxy. In Hawaii Smithsonian collaborated with the Bishop Museum on our Hawaiian Islands relics and artifacts…we ARE outraged still that our ancestors are NOT at rest stored in a wooden box in a foreign country or on display.
And one of our ancestors bones found was 13ft tall in a burial cave in Saul was a head taller than the other Israelites. Goliath had much experience in war trainings a very tall man as a giant in Israel interpretations but true that King Saul was head and shoulders over every man stating he was just a tall man but with Goliath a GIANT. So he must have been even taller then King Saul by a great measure therefore causing great fear perhaps humiliating Sauls position as the great King of Israel.
Look at all the ones in recorded history, they all needed canes to walk meaning so too did Goliath. The Bible makes it crystal clear that Goliath is not a giant. In fact, I have done a study on giants and found out there are 4 categories. Descendants of Ham. These giants where between 10 and feet tall as noted in Amos and in Deuteronomy. I propose what we should do to put this into perspective, is not consider it a beauty pageant but a spiritual metaphor. Perspective from God is critical when confronting evil.
David was not looking at the height of Goliath, he was looking at the size of his God. Were they such cowards that they imagined they were seeing giants. And what about the enormous grape bunches they carried out. Scripture indicates that there were giants on the earth in those days and also afterwards. Hi Andre, Thanks for your comments. Other passages do seem to support that the Nephilim and those related to them were extra large size.
I have no problem with that. Let me make a few points: 1. I would recommend reading his book. My point here is that the Bible indicates these people were large, but we have no specific measurements. So how large is large? Regarding 1 Samuel 17, as a number of scholars have pointed out, Goliath is never called a giant in this text. We are, however, given his measurements and whether he was 4 or 6 cubits, he was still a big guy. I have no problem with those who want to assert that Goliath was 9 ft.
In this article I am attempting to look at the evidence and decide which reading 4 or 6 cubits, seems to be correct. Keeping in mind we do not know which cubit was being used, it seems to me that the evidence favors 4 cubits. Different times and different cultures often result in a different way of assessing things. You mention that the word giant is not mentioned in 1 Samuel So, Goliath was a giant.
Hi Andy, In my article I do point out that 2 Sam. Whether this is a correct translation of the word and whether our idea of giants is the same as the ancient idea are points open for discussion.
Also, nowhere does it state in 2 Samuel that the person they are talking about is Goliath. Not one time. Nor where there any True giants after Deuteronomy. True Andy. If you check the Hebrew text, Goliath is never referred to as a giant. Especially in 1 Samuel I find this very interesting because the bible is dealing with truth and not politics. Knowing that the sons of God had sexual relations with the human race, that of course I mean the women. It seems possible that cross genetics of either race combine together would make some interesting football and basketball players at time of life.
If one could go back in time by looking at the footprints that are imprinted in the ground you would be able to determine the actual height and weight of some of these prehistoric giants. Now, to really see something great go back into time and you will see and know the truth.
Remember, the dinosaurs they were not exactly small in size. I would recommend going back in time and finding the actual truth, once and for all. The discussion in this thread is so silly. A few thousand years later, when the average height of a man had increased, the original height of the mythological Goliath was inadequate. This is how folklore works. Therefore we have, in almost all current versions of the bible we read today, an inflated height for Goliath. This is just one of the many problems with the story of David and Goliath.
I would take exception with a few things in your statement. Second, there are some that take Elhanan to be the one who killed Goliath, but an equally valid, and in my view correct, assessment is that words were accidentally left out of the Samuel text.
The Samuel text is well-known for having suffered in transmission. The Chronicles account only helps to clear up the confusion. HIs intentional corruption of the word Bethlehemite should be plain to see.
He changed the text to create a brother for Goliath so he could give credit to Elhanan for his death. All the other Philistine giants had Philistine names.
Seriously, Lahmi? No reason to question the inerrancy of the scriptures here? I was content to leave you with the final word, but since you insist I will share some further thoughts. As I mentioned, I am happy for people to express opposing views. That is the way we all learn. No one knows everything. However, it is never my intention to enter into a prolonged debate. That is not the purpose of this blog. Having said that, I will respond to your previous statements.
First, as I know you are aware, there are as many explanations for these two passages as there are commentators and commentaries.
Your explanation is one possibility and is put forth by a number of OT scholars. So your argument is duly noted. The explanation you offer also comes with an agenda and that agenda is clearly seen in your sarcasm toward the biblical accounts.
I approach the text with a different set of presuppositions. Among these are the belief that the biblical writers did not intentionally distort their history. I have written an article which can be found on this blog which was published by Bibliotheca Sacra July-Sept. Intentional Ambiguity as Literary Art.
Simply that we are often too hasty in our judgment of what is going on in the text. Even though the section begins by stating the Israelites were at war with the Philistines, the individuals named in the following verses who are killed by Israelites are called Rapha. Rapha is the singular of Rephaim, who are a people that dwelt in Canaan and east of the Jordan long before Israel ever came into Canaan e.
Thus the Rapha are a semitic people and it would not be unusual for some to use Semitic names even though living among the Philistines. Of course, they might also choose to adopt a Philistine name such as Goliath. This is yet another example of a Canaanite people of large size living in Philistine cities.
It is a misnomer to think that only Philistines lived in Philistine cities or that only Israelites lived in Israelite cities. It would be akin today to saying that the only people who live in New York City are Americans, or the only people living in London are English.
Such a clean cut scenario does not coincide with reality. Since Gath can also be considered a border town. There is quite reasonably going to be a mixture of Philistine and Judean and Canaanite cultures. We also know that the Philistines adopted Semitic gods worshipping Dagon as one example.
It could even conceivably involve the use of names from a bordering culture. Especially if the people have a past history of being part of that bordering culture. It is clear that 2 Sam.
That is why the most reliable witness of it would seem to be 1 Chron. A final point I would make is that there are some scholars who believe that the text of 1 Chron.
No less a scholar than David G. I would wish for some further elaboration as to how he is so confident of this. The point is, however, that here is a scholar who is convinced by text form that the Chronicles reading is legit. I appreciate your interacting with me on these topics David.
You are, of course, welcome to respond. I wish you the best. I would date the final form of Samuel to the exile. I still stand by my other observations 1,2,3. This comment from you is egregious. Seems plausible to me. Funny stuff Greg. It is an evergreen conifer that can reach 40 m ft in height. Also what were the Chinese defending against with the Great Wall? Those look to be defenses akin to Giants. So that is a tall guy. And that would really only be a dog vs man height to a man vs someone that was as tall as a man vs a dog.
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